Curse

daraaksii · Mar 26, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

If I can see that the match will last too long, and I quit, tha I'll need to wait 5-10 minutes becouse I've left?!

/not-signed

max gladius · Mar 26, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by daraaksii

If I can see that the match will last too long, and I quit, tha I'll need to wait 5-10 minutes becouse I've left?!

/not-signed

you read as well as you type... topic is if person leaves RA at very beginning (like withing first minute) of match should they get punished for leaving because they dont like team they get....

if everyone could read the simple topic, alot of the confusion would not be here.... were not talking about the fight lasted 5 mins already and now there is just a runner left, or even that the fight lasted 1.5min 1 full team of monks and noone can hurt them and ppl leave... were talking before the gates open, or very shortly after......

Please stay on topic, its not that confusing...

linh · Mar 26, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by max gladius

you read as well as you type... topic is if person leaves RA at very beginning (like withing first minute) of match should they get punished for leaving because they dont like team they get....

Ok, if I'm a monk and I get a team with 2 other monks and 1 Restoration Rit, we know that no way we can win or kill ( unless the other team all quit first, ofc). Then we just stay there and wait 1 min to press M and come back to Arena. Is there any difference if a char stand there for 1 min doing nothing, only to wait to "be allowed" to quit ? It only give the other team free kills, and make people very frustrating and annoying.

And for people who want "to win" or whatever reason : It is totally unorganised, and winning or not depends mostly on luck and other team members you get. Is there a difference between a leaver and a complete idiot Wamo ( which are popular in RA) with Dolyak Signet, Healing Hand, Healing Breeze, etc.., no attack skill and just stand hopeless there because no one bother to attack him ? I would rather have a quitter because an useless wamo like that only makes me rage.

Please stop bumping this thread or people will continue flamefest, really.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 26, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

OK I don't understand something here. if the rage quiters are not just doing it to be little jerk holes, (My Opinon) Cause they get off on such things...

And they are doing it just because they don't like the random build, then why the heck are they not just going to Team arenas and forming a group to play with with the build they want? Thats what its freaking there for!!!

Tell you what Anet, any day you want to rid us of standard RA forever is fine by me. TA is all one needs at that level since there is no room for people wanting to try new things anymore... Leave RA for lowlevel Ascalon, Yaks bend, Monastery, and Istani Arenas... and remove RA entirely from Battle Ilses. Make room for Gladiator Arena 1vs1.

derrtyboy69 · Mar 27, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Ok how about this: a small penalty if you are the FIRST person on your team to leave

There would be none, however, if 2 or more of your teamates have been killed.

Puebert · Mar 27, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Like its been said before; there are too many valid reasons to leave RA.

RA isn't for serious competition. Whenever I wanna mess around, I go into RA witha joke build. Usually someone leaves. Sometimes I leave. Is it because of the team? In my case, no. I never care for the team, I leave for many reasons. One of which: I don't wanna play GW right now. So, without hesitation, I hit Alt+F4, and do something else. The only time I'd stay would be if my team mates were all using decent build, and then I would leave after we won.

Does this make me a horrible person? I don't think so. I might of cheated someone out of 50 Faction. But, its only faction.

And besides, if somone leaving at the beginning really does bother you, do TA.

At least the people there have some experience.

I know most of this (if not all) has been stated before, but I wanted to give my reasoning for voting no.

Oh, and /unsigned.

Legandary Spartan · Mar 27, 2007, 06:34 AM // 06:34

I Don't do PvP other than AB (and i want to, Guild Wars is balanced, so if this would stop happning i think some awsome battles would happen) because i can't find anything else than quiters. IT drives me insane.
/singed

bhavv · Mar 27, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

And they are doing it just because they don't like the random build, then why the heck are they not just going to Team arenas and forming a group to play with with the build they want? Thats what its freaking there for!!!

Because team arenas are full of, ahem, 'NO-ONE'.

When I get 10 wins in RA, the team usually steamrolls through all the poop from TA untill we face an organised guild team to screw it up for us. Thats the problem with TA, it doesnt matter how good your teams build is, you will still most likely get beaten by a better team, and there is hardly anyone ever there to make a good group unless you join a TA guild.

I were spamming for a smiter for my TA build, which has gotten me and my guild many glad points before, 30 minutes of spamming, no smiter. Thats why I dont do TA unless were making a guild group.

RA is full of so many clowns and 0 organised teams, that if you get a decent group (which is very easy via rage quitting), you get a glad point garanteed.

bhavv · Mar 27, 2007, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by Puebert

And besides, if somone leaving at the beginning really does bother you, do TA.

Oh, and /unsigned.

What a great idea, then maybe it would be easier (for me + others) to make a group in TA.

Also imo all the people voting yes are the ones playing wammo, flare spammer or MM in RA. I just had a wammo using mending right now. Raged ftw.

Im playing migrane/fruastration mesmer atm. I just decided to stay in a group with 2 rangers and a warrior to see what happens. I get sin ganked in a few seconds and no one resses me. Guess why I rage quit?

Poison Ivy · Mar 27, 2007, 12:05 PM // 12:05

IF, this is implemented, I'll just leave my computer there without leaving and go for a piss, a drink and some run down to the local 7/11 for more food and the exercise.

BlackSephir · Mar 27, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

/hell signed

Valid reasons for leaving RA? I can only think of one- group of 4 healing ppl vs 4 other healing ppl- but what is /resign for?

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/Laugh at the people that take RA seriously....RA is a place for newbies in the game to wet their feet in PvP or for an advanced player to have alittle fun.

;D funny guy
I can play RA, AB, TA, HA, GvG, HB and sometimes I still play RA... Guess why? You don't know? Not surprising...
Lemme tell ya
1)fast faction
2)sometimes cool ppl
3)easy glads
4)I can try out builds
5)I don't have to complete team... No "what are we playing today... We dont have Me"- I just press button and wait 30sec...
But you're an advanced player that always has right, eh? Probably playing R/N "touch me!" ^^
/laugh at you

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You should never go into RA expecting to get Glad Points (or even to get a competent team) - just be happy when it happens.

I think RA is where I get like... oh, 50 glad points?

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GW. Sometimes they have to deal with some of the things in their "lives" that come up suddenly (like an angry wife). So they have to quit GW.

So? Calming your wife will take ~10 mins, and after that you can play again...
You have to go to shop for smth and you have to quit? So quit, you will wait 10 minutes- far from eternity

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further translation: dude. deal with it. no one cares.

Wrong... again ;) Oh, how easy to deal with posts like these...

It's not problem billy leaves... Its problem that Billy, Tom, Mark, Josh, Jerry, Mandy, Harry, Dick and many others quit- and it happens all the time.
Do you really 'think' (haha :D) that this poll would be here if ppl met like... 1 leaver/day ? It's not 1 leaver/day- it's a huge number, really... many 0's

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There are many reasons to leave a team, as some have stated before (idiot players, leechers, one initial leaver, dead on the floor for too long, hopeless results, 2 or more monks, 4 diversion mesmers and no damage, etc). It would really just result in a massive unplugged fest. And u should know from our society that u can't punish the (seemingly) innocent.

Idiot players - still better then leavers- at least they play ;] Even wammos are better then leavers- at least they can be meat-shield, exploit his corpse or get E from soul reaping...
Leechers- only met them in AB
one initial leaver- still possible to win 3vs4...
too much time, hopless results- I think that leavers who should be punished are those, who leave before opening the gates, or 5s after 'NO MNOK!!11 NOOBZ'
Punishing innocent- it happens all the time -,-

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What prevents a rage quitter from just pulling their network plug to fake an err=7. Doesn't solve anything.

Leavers aren't ppl that like to do much- they're lazy bunch of worse_humans that enter RA, no monk- quit, enter- no monk- quit... What makes you think that lazy guys like em would unplug their network plug? Too much work -,-

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Anyway, this is a game and fun should be had.

What was that? Are you telling me I'm supposed to have fun when for 10 times in a row I have a leaver/leavers in RA? That's fun? Masochist...
And what about 2 other guys that were with me in team? Are they having fun?

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Please, if you can't stand a few leavers now and then, don't do RA

Your 'few' is very different from what 'few' is supposed to mean.

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what about the error 7s out there? how do you tell when its a rage quit?

Nope, but I think it's pretty easy to figure out if it's 007 or just quitting... have faith in AN programmers... If you have 007 you can reconnect- if you leave there's no 'ok noob, maybe you'd like to fix it and reconnect to your party?'

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RA is kinda the lowest GW gets.

Personally I think farming is, but that's not about it... it's about leavers, kk?

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It's a game, guys. 4v4 Randomway

Cool that you said it yourself... 4v4- not 4-xv4 ;]

I read many other posts that can be easily countered but meh... Not worth my time

I just want to add that there are ppl out there that rage-quit just for fun! Enters-quits-enters-quits- just like anal!
But no, why should we punish them, it's fun for them, right?
Gimme a break...

edit
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"I play randoms because im fly.
I also rage quit because im fly."
I think it's all right to swat a fly

Mourne · Mar 27, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I play randoms because im fly.
I also rage quit because im fly.
Oh and because I don't want to waste my life with a bad team, granted im playing GW.

And btw, how are you gonna punish someone that is already uax

. HI

/notsighned
CWAT I DID THAR

GuildWiki Jamie · Mar 27, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Personally I think all quiters should be given a negative global (for the account) title that would appear under a regular title stating how many times they have quit.

bhavv · Mar 27, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by GuildWiki Jamie

Personally I think all quiters should be given a negative global (for the account) title that would appear under a regular title stating how many times they have quit.

Great idea, and lets max that title by rage quitting even more FTW!

Way to encourage us.

DarkGanni · Mar 27, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Personally I don't do much TA myself (only when i'm bored) and so today happened to be one of those days. I load and noticed we didnt have any monks in the group and this person just says bye and leaves the game (see screenshot for more reference (its awful I can assure you). so my vote goes to a big YES!!!! Now I understand how some of the players feel here.

gw543.jpg

max gladius · Mar 27, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

that pic sums it up... funny part is, from what i see, is that almost entire other team quit before ur guy quit... so technically, he lost out on a free win...

Sofonisba · Mar 27, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Read all of the posts and completely disagree with the OP.

About 50% of the time when I monk in RA, I get a glad point. Thats from rage quitting if I see a Wammo, any other monks, or an inbalanced team like 2 or 3 rits or mesmers.

If I want to play another class, usually blinder or dazer, I prefer to have a decent ZB or Shield of regen monk in my team at least, If not I rage.

Sorry if im a prick, I want glad points and there about 1000% easier to get in RA then in TA.

No, I don't think you really are sorry for being a... nvm.

/signed for a few minute delay on re-enter after quitting

What gets me, are the folks who say "don't take RA so seriously" then you have the above guy who takes it SO seriously he's got a formula already worked out for when he rages. Scientifically proven to be the most efficient way to get glad points whilst griefing everyone around you.

BTW I'd kill for a team of 3 mesmers and a monk.

EternalTempest · Mar 27, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Dalimoor_Kalkire

Say your error 7, lose power, computer crashses, freezes, automatic updates for Windows kicks you, wireless connection has a hiccup, the phone rings, the doorbell rings, something starts to burn in the oven, soup on the stove bowls over, video card dies, motherboard fries, monitor goes out, dog wants out, pizza guy is at the door, police are at the door, your kids need your help, wife needs your help, husband needs your help, baby is crying, smoke alarm goes off, wireless mouse runs out of batteries, wireless keyboard runs out of batteries, power surge to your computer hits, you fall alseep at the helm, forgot about your dentist oppointment, doctors visit, have to pick up kids from school, from sports, from extra curricular activities, house starts to flood, tornado is coming, hurricane is rising, or a stampeed of chickens leveled your home...yeah...don't think punishing people for leaving is fair. It's not always their fault. We don't know the circumstances.

/signed for a 5 min re-join penality

When you get back from the above situations, a reasonable 5 min wait (disagree with 10 min) would of already passed and you can jump back in.
Do not support faction loss.

krakenstar · Mar 27, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I think that people who quit within 5 minutes of the match start should be punished, and that punishment should be they cannot start an RA match for the next 10 minutes.

For whatever reason - some people here seems to believe that their time > everyone else's time. Those are the people that seem to be the majority of those not supporting some form of punishment.

People who quit for any RL reasons, or people who decided to do something else instead suffers no actual "punishment". It will punish people who jump around to get into a better team. If there is 2 monks vs. 2 monks (or runners etc. etc.) and there is a deadlock after 5 minutes, quit all you like no punishment.

You enter the RA format knowing that teams are completely random. If the purpose is to farm 300 factions or whatever, go somewhere else. Hell grab 3 henchies and do zenshin challenge is faster anyway and you don't waste other peoples time. Thinking otherwise is just being a selfish a-hole.

TheRaven · Mar 27, 2007, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by krakenstar

For whatever reason - some people here seems to believe that their time > everyone else's time. Those are the people that seem to be the majority of those not supporting some form of punishment.

/Signed! For reason quoted above.

I enjoy playing in RA and it's great when we get a good team however it's very frustrating having to deal with all the jerks like this guy.....

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Originally Posted by Puebert

RA isn't for serious competition. Whenever I wanna mess around, I go into RA witha joke build. Usually someone leaves. Sometimes I leave. Is it because of the team? In my case, no. I never care for the team, I leave for many reasons. One of which: I don't wanna play GW right now. So, without hesitation, I hit Alt+F4, and do something else. The only time I'd stay would be if my team mates were all using decent build, and then I would leave after we won.

I think the punishment should be reasonable, and not so much a punishment but a deterrent. Yes there are legitimate reasons to leave. If your kid just split a glass of milk on the dog, I don't expect you to stay at the computer and finish a game that in the long run won't matter much in life. Leave and take care of whatever real life issue occurred. (However, if you are in a situation where you expect to be frequently interrupted I think it's just common courtesy to not attempt a team event at all.)

Implement a 5-10 minute penalty where a leaver cannot rejoin a PvP battle for that amount of time. Folks that leave for legit reasons will most likely be AFK for that amount of time anyways and so it won't be punishing them. Also the penalty should not be applied if....
1. The battle has lasted for more than 5 minutes. (This solves the runner issue)
2. You are not the first person to leave the battle. (I don't want to be penalized for leaving a 2 man team)

I've also frequently encountered a different issue in RA that annoys me. Perhaps I'm the only one? This is the "I'm sooo good I don't need a team" syndrome. Many times a player will say "1 on 1 please" or "I'll only play 1v1. Send over a champion from your team to decide the battle". Many times this happens when somebody from the Lone Ranger's team has already left and he doesn't want to fight handicapped. Sometimes it's just because he doesn't like the teammates he's been put with and would like to even the odds a bit.